and we told you @ http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3130842,00.html No way are you religious right wing messianic madmen taking us backwards into your past anymore.

I used to be a voting member of Meretz. I supported the withdrawl from Gaza. I was wrong. Maybe the settlers could have been moved out, but certainly not the IDF. We should never have trusted the EU, the US, the UN, the Egyptians, ad nauseam - and we shouldn't trust them now. We cut short the current operation because Condi wagged her finger at us. We should politely but very firmly tell Condi and the rest to go take a hike when it comes to protecting our citizens and Israeli sovereignity by eliminating the terrorists and their infrastructure.

With all respect, I agree with the writer, that if you want to protect Israel, go back into Gaza, rebuild all settelments, push out all palestineans to Egypt, then turn to the West Bank , kick off all these rats to Jordan, .... then it is safe and clean >>>> WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT ???? Lets talk 10 years from now, plestineans will be 12 millions well educated and all Hamasians , Iran and may be others will have atomic wepons, .....etc. WHO WILL PROTECT WHOME ??? Isnt the better scenario better ??? As an honest palestinian, I am telling the truth, may I suggest a dramatec solution?? give the following offer to the Arabs : - We will return West Bank to Jordan - We will return Gazza to Egypt - Settelments can be sold to Saudi Arabia who will distribute to palestinians - Every refugee will get 10,000 U$ In return WE WANT PEACE WITH ALL THE WORLD I am 100% sure that offer will change the history of the ME and will give the region at least 50 years of real peace. Think about your children, dont be selfesh, I am tellink myself the same words >>>> lets live TOGETHER IN PEACE >>

Victory is the key word not peace, because peace is not an option in this part of the world, and because there is only one solution to terror : a military solution. You do not talk to terrorists, you fight and defeat them. Victory is needed to prove to the Muslims in general and the Arabs in particular that against their ethos of death stands the ethos of life, protected by the arms of democracies that are resolved to punish them where it hurts most as explained at : http://israelagainstterror.blogspot.com/2008/01/stop-them-with-clear-cut-victory-part-i.html

I don't get what this whole disproportionately thing is all about. You don't win wars by acting proportionally. You win wars by crushing your enemy. They pull a knife, you pull a gun. They put one of your men in the hospital, you put one of theirs in the morgue. You must fight on their level. With trickery, brutality, finality. You must match their evil. Did you know that two thousand years ago a Roman citizen could walk across the face of the known world free of the fear of molestation? He could walk across the earth unharmed, cloaked only in the words ‘Civis Romanis’ I am a Roman citizen. So great was the retribution of Rome, universally understood as certain, should any harm befall even one of its citizens? Tit for tat does lead to more violence. And isn't that what proportionality really means? If you aren't fighting with disproportionately then you aren't fighting to win, And if you aren't fighting to win then you are just continuing the cycle of violence. Don't get me wrong. I am not one of those who say that violence never solved anything. Ask what the city fathers of Hiroshima what they say about it and you know what they would say? NOTHING, Hiroshima was destroyed. Violence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn't solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst. No, I am not a pacifist. But the truth is that when you fight you fight in order to totally destroy your enemy's will and capacity to fight. You totally overwhelm them. Anything less than that is just unnecessary cruelty.

Rid Gaza of Arabs and let the honorable Jews Return.

The west bank will be an even bigger Gaza, as soon as Olmert of the left pullout, it will be overtaken by hamas/ al qaeda/ hizbolla/iran, with the blessing of Fatah. the war that is now limited to the south will rage all over Israel's population centres. The IDF who are scared now even of gaza will not have a clu how to figh in a re-armed west bank, and at the same time world opinion will call Israel's acts "disproportionate". We tell you so ,

Why is it that rightwing extremists and not-so-extremists always seem so pleased when they ( think that they ) can point at what the extremists and not-so-extremists on the other side do, and say "Told you so?". Could it be that their and our extremists have more or less the same mindset and the same goals? One thing is for sure, all extremists are interested in a continuation or a deterioration of any status quo, and none of them has ever been serious about trying something new, a situation that might resemble real peace.

First of all, not true! and secondly only the lowest form of life on the planet would say this now. Elyakim Haetzni - you disgust me.

well said , and I completely agree with you.

As someone who in the past has disagreed with many of his points, I have to admit that Haetzni is correct. The sooner we realize that, the better. Anything else is defeatism, and our unwillingness to take drastic action is only making things worse, both in the short term and in the long run

So you are offering your "righteous" and the soldiers sent their to protect them, up for slaughter? That's your solution? At least now, our soldiers can maneuver whereever they need, whenever they need - as they are doing right now. And they don't have to waste time and energy guarding convoys to supermarkets and schools....nor get blown up in the process. You gloat...while some of us remember the roadside bombs and suicide attacks - before the pull-out.

Every time that the lefties gain influence and power, they will betray Israel and try to withdraw our people, even as they are try to, right now in Samaria and Judea. How can we trust a government, that is willing to let its own people die, depending on what part of Israel they live?

And denial is the reflex reaction of the Israeli left to political disasters like the Hizbolla's attacks over the last Lebanon war and to Hamas' current katyusha attacks from Gaza. It is too much to expect that people inured to lying to stay in power and in Orwellian manipulations of the historical record to take responsibility. But .... nice try and it had to be done.

This is unfortunate, but there is no other way. Anything else will lead to even worst outcome of "Oslo peace process".

Because of you and people like you that we are in this mess. You raised a paradise in midst of misery .and you ate too many apples, you know the rest. you were thrown out of that paradise.

Paradise in Midst of a Misery? Hmm - what is Savion and Ramat Gan among South Tel Aviv, or just kilometers from Qalkilya, Tulkarm? The misery is yours - you a miserable person who blames Israel's success for Gazan waste and lost opportunities

and not the argument. .. Faced with a grim reality which was brought about by a disasterous policy which they themselves supported. they offer no logical or rational counter-argument when hit with the inconvienant truth. Insead they just try to shoot the messanger, parrot the same "land for peace" solgans and stick their heads in the sand. The best they can do is resort to ad hominiem attacks - barking words like "right wing messianic madmen extremists". I would have thouhgt that despite everything that has happened, continuing to give away land to murderers and arming and funding them while they continue to kill you and supporting a dead end peace process which is leading us on to a path of more war, bloodshed and voilence - is also a type of misplaced messianic fantacism and extremism, no? A great Jewish sage once said that if you see faults in someone, its only a reflection of your own faults.

Sharon's so called "disengagement plan" pogrom in October 2004 was endorsed by the knesset, making it an openly evil, anti-Semitic body and all of its members modern-day hamans. Jew, now is the time to fight THIS golden calf, now is the time to disengage from it. If you voted for them, stop voting. 38% of the public already did. If you live in sin-struck "Israel proper", save yourself and your family, come out to live in Judea & Samaria!

as opposed to some virally leftist sites such as walla and haaretz. Hopefully you will continue to be an open channel for Truth speakers, Nahum Barnea and Co. notwithstanding.

Are you nuts ?? Why would we want to do that ???? Besides you won't be there for much longer anyways :o)

How mad are you that not only will Israel NEVER come back to Gaza, but will also pull out of the West Bank within a year! :D

With My Full respect to the great writer We told you that the unilaterally exit by israel from one side would generate counter-violence in the future We told you that make gaza a big prison will increase the violence in the future We told you that the withdrawal from Gaza Strip without economic vision for solving the problem will increase the violence We told you that Israel's attempt to differentiate between the palestinians on the basis that this son of the West Bank and this is son of gaza-strip will increase the violence in the future We told you that if israel continuein policy of building of settlements,building the aparthed walls the violence will increase in future

Could not have put it any better...its very unfortunate that the government & left are blinded by their wishful thinking..

And now you have the nerve to resent being reminded of it. The current hopeless situation Israel is now facing is a direct result of the policies of the Oslo gang and the fact that they and people like you who supported them were never brought to account for it. You MUST publicly admit your errors, not act indignant because you are being reminded of them; it is the only way to fix the mistakes, if it is still possible, and not commit the same mistakes again.

#2..There are no Palestinian terrorists...they are Palestinian Freedom Fighters, fighting Israeli State terrorism ... Hamas was democratically elected and have a right to their land... Take care of your own house first before you take care of Palestinians...You seem to have problems with your identity....

One can only gloat when one is proven right. Your choice of subject line reveals that, on a fundamental level, you realize that Haetzni correct. While there were Jews in Gaza, they were the willing lightning rods for the enemy which kept the rest of the country safer. The unilateral withdrawal strategy failed miserably in Lebanon in 2000 and led directly to Hizbullahstan (and ultimately to a war that cost more than 130 IDF dead in one month and the northern third the country blasted with rockets.) You repeated the blunder in Gaza in 2005 which has resulted in Hamastan and the ever widening attacks on southern Israel. Einstein said that repeatedlyconducting the same experiment and expecting different results is the definition of insanity. Lets follow this insanity to its logical conclusion: think of how many IDF lives could be saved if the Jews simply withdrew from Israel. Then they wouldn't have to waste their time guarding supermarkets and schools in Ra'anana, Or do you think the Jews in Ra'anana are less despised by the Arabs than the Jews in Gush Katif were? Wake up! Now that your hero, Olmert, has, once again prevented the IDF from doing what it needs to do, just like he did in Lebanon, it isn't the IDF that "can maneuver whereever they need, whenever they need," it is Hamas, Islamic Jihad, al Quaeda, PFLP... Just like Hizbullah before it, Hamas now claims victory in this latest 3 day skirmish. IIt sickens me to know that when the butcher's bill comes due for saving Israel from the existential threats to its existence which have been exacerbated by all the folly of the left, it will make the roadside bombs of pre-withdrawal Gaza look like small change.