and not insults to the writer...oh wait, i know why, becaue they never had an argument to begin with. their ideology is based on empty sound bytes and zero logic.

What do you propose, leave Sderot? Then Ashkelon? Jerusalem? then Haifa? When are you going to leave Ra'anana? The truth is, you must cancel Oslo. You must go to the pre-Oslo days, or at least try. That your only hope. Nobody in the entire history won a war through retreat except Russians, and they had a huge territory to retreat through and terrible winters on their side. Israel has neither the Russian territorial advantage nor climate. You must acknowledge the failures of your policies before finding a new way. The is no doubt that Israel’s current policy is a resounding failure – both from the strategic and military point of view and in terms of international public relations -- you are now being both attacked and condemned for defending yourself. Such a situation is untenable.

EM you are from Raanana; Daniel you are from the Sharon. The distance from Gaza to Ashkelon (Majdal before Israel took over) is the same distance as from Kalikilya to your homes. Now that you have seen what happened first to Sderot and then to Ashkelon, do you honestly support Olmert's planned destruction of Jewish homes protecting you?

Elyakim Haetzni raises real issues that were part of the disengagement debate. The concerns that the Gaza settlements were the front line in a war, and that Israel's control of the border with Egypt have turned horribly real. The charges against Egypt and the EU have merit, and the predictions of further Palestinians violence have grown into fruition. However, Rami abu ghalyion makes some real points too. Unilateral actions are not a replacement for peace talks, and factional fighting between HAMAS and Fatah have not split (to date) the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. However, the solution, does not lie with re-settling Gaza. The calculus behind that withdrawel remains true. In the near-term, its appears that HAMAS violence is going to result in an escalation of fighting, perhaps similar to what was done by PM Sharon in the West Bank following the Passover seder suicide bombing. But once the shooting stops, there needs to be a way forward, with diplomacy (yes!). Because as we have seen, the status quo, is not acceptable to all, and at the end of the day, won't leave anyone sleeping any safer in any part of the region.

Actually, Talula, it is true. Many argued that unilateral withdrawal from Gaza would be a fundamenta strategic blunder whicih would lead precisely to the disastrous consequences we now see. Perhaps you didn't hear them because you were so busy demonizing the "settlers". So, what disgusts you, Talula and Yoni? That Haetzni is essentially correct, or that he reminds you of it now? What is it about "now" that makes Haetzni the lowest form of life? You know what's disgusting?You know what is the lowest form of life? Delusional Jews who, after the disasters of Lebanon and Gaza, continue to believe that there is some magical formula of land for peace and that it's the Jews' fault that we don't have peace yet because it's the Jews who haven't figured out the right amount of land to give away. The non-delusional know that the only reason the Arabs hate us is simply that Jews have "sovereignty" over an insignificant speck of "their" land. We know that there is no magic formula. As far as the Arabs are concerned, and they regularly make it perfectly clear, the amount of land required for piece is 100%. So, the war will only stop when one of two things happen: 1) Israel achieves such a decisive and crushing military victory over its enemies that they come to accept the futility of the military option or 2) Israel ceases to exist as a sovereign Jewish state. Considering the track record of the current government and the delusional ideology that drives it, I fear that a political echelon which is "tired of winning" and has demonstrated an utter lack of competence in war leaves only option (2) on the table.

It was the IDF who protected the jewish homes not the other way round .And they never protected me I protected them and their greed.

and Israeli population at large is a bunch of sheep being led to slaughter. On one hand I pity my Jewish brethren, yet on another I can only say that you're reaping the fruits of being quiet regarding the Oslo Accords, running away from Gaza, etc. Will you ever wake up?

wishing you and Michael well and a happy life ,no hard feelings

No reason to be proud. Israel never annexed the land and you new that when you moved in, but you're still whining. A few thousand people controlled a large percentage of a land of more than a million, and you think that's "moral". "Telling us" that you deserve special treatment doesn't mean anything. We told you that we didn't belong in Gaza. We told you it gave the Pals a clear chance to show they wanted peace. We told you that they would have no excuses and it would help internationally. We also told you that we were tired of heavily subsidizing your lavish lifestyles of beach front homes. We paid you exorbitantly to move there, to live there and to move back, but you're still whining. You knowingly gambled, you lost, yet your gambling losses were more than covered. Yet you're still whining. Yes, we should have kept the Philidelphi corridor. That's all you got right. Now shut up and get on with your life.

Acutza Acutza!!!!

Instead of sticking their tongues up their sorry asses. They never learn. They are suicidal manias and because they are scared to fight, they prefer to have us all dead.

Philistines are long gone. Arabs came to rob the Jewish land.

Yes, that's exactly what the German Jews were saying in 30s. “... The definition of insanity is to continue to repeat the same behavior and expect different results.” --Chuck Madden

Hey big hero! Why aren't you protecting Sderot? And where do you live to say who is greedy? Are you from Arsuf? Did you serve with Olmert? Or are you a farmer producing millions of dollars of vegetables, like the heros of Gush Katif?

The argument isn't about whether the leftist delusion was right or wrong. The facts show the latter--the real questions is will the Jewish people learn anything from their mistakes. Sadly, I doubt that we will. Finally, to #1--the last time I checked Asheklon wasn't a bastion of Hareidi Meshichistim. You have to update your drivel. Here's a thought: Tel Aviv is also on the list.

the sound of right wing religious diaspora Americans telling me anything. This is our country nor yours . We want to live together with the Arabs in peace , to hell with you and your occupation of the West Bank and to hell with all of you murdering messianic madmen. You are no better than Hamas or Hezbullah !!! Remember Rabin .......never forget and never forgive .

I refer you and the rest to a book called "a oasis in the desert: the story of a border kibutz" by vantage press 1973. In it you can read about life in kissufim BEFORE the settlers came to gaza. Oh yes there was plenty of shelling back then too... by egypt.. Page 61: The 3rd of november in kissufim: this is a note of assurance to all the parents. We are unable to realize that in the past few days our brilliant and able army has taken over the sinai peninsula and the gaza strip. WE ARE NO LONGER A BORDER SETTLEMENT [Little did they realize at the time that the US would interfere and pressure them to turn about and go back to the same hostile borders and to depend on "The guardianship of a international force" for their security] - That was written from the 1956 war... You and Amos oz are both ignorant racist's.. I lived in Gush Katif for a few monthes.. Most were either dati leumi or secular.. I dont care what lies the press feeds you.. Rafiach yam was mostly secular, Peat sadeh was mostly secular, Kfar yam was secular,... this is just BS .. I remember more without kipot than WITH...

and include sharon and his two sons. We should try everyone connected with the oslo garbage.

What can you say? Ha Etzni is right....100%.

I understand that you are the one who said you protected the Jewish homes. You did not not answer my question. You live in the Sharon. If you are in Kfar Saba you are closer to Kalkilya than Sderot is to Gaza. Otherwise, you are not further than Ashkelon is. Do yourself a favor and spend a week in Sderot and tell me if you still support Olmert, Abbas and Meretz. Just think how easy it is to bring Grads from Shchem to Kalkilya if you destroy Kdumim and Karnei. Just think how lucky it is the IDF still rules the ruins of Homesh.

Guess what ? its my country just as much as yours.. No I wont forget or forgive rabin for oslo.. Oh and you ignoant man.. haetzni is 100% secular.. the guy dont wear a kipah or anything.. so dont throw the religious messianism in. I am sick of your peace messianism.. go live in peace with the arabs in saudi arabia.. leave.. we wont miss you!

Israel still has the mentality of the diaspora Jew, looking over its shoulders to see if the goyim would approve... This mentality leads it to try and show that it is not an aggressor -- that it only acts to defend itself. Yet the European Left and the Arab Fascist propaganda succeeds time and time again in peinting IDF as Nazi aggressors. Is it not the time to do what is needed for the security of Israel, and not listen the the people who wish our distruction?

My point is we should never settled in Gaza.it should have been kept under military commend .but if we wanted to settle in Gaza anyway we could at least have helped the population get on their feet first and slowly but surely settle . But no, we went there massively created a paradise with cheap labor and destroying the Israeli economy on the way.So when the Gazan saw that their land had been taken ,insulted and miss used we awakened their jealousy and hate with our greed.Its always Me first ,I still see it in our daily lives.I'm not fond of it nor of the gazan nor of the settler anywhere.In short who want's it all leave it all. Have good day.

First I don't need a kipa to know history or the nonsense that the rabbi's are teaching you in yeshivas. Its for their own benefits to lead a bunch of ignorant like you to the altar. 2) I was born here and I feel every pain and joy that My country is going through,not like you sitting in comfort and deciding about our future. I want to live in peace with the arabs here ,they have more respect than you do .Have a good day .

"Murdering messianic madmen"? "Religious Diaspora Americans?" American Jews are "no better than Hamas or Hezbullah"? Yoni, Yoni. you shouldn't forget to take your meds. You are seriously deranged. When you hate other Jews more than real enemies hell-bent on destroying you, you have passed way over the line that separates the rational from the psychotic. YOU may want to live together with the Arabs in peace, but THEY not only don't want you to live with them they don't want you to LIVE at all. The Arabs have been trying very hard to tell you that they hate you and want you dead ever since the Hebron massacre of 1929, almost 47 years BEFORE there was an "occupation" of the West Bank. . By the way, Rabin was assassinated by an Israeli, not by an American.

history is right butsettlers are not one day in the first of the second intifada at the firstcheckpoint at kalandya i told you so that suffering of the palastinians would never bring security to the israilis ,,,and the history is right

Not to mention that Rony's occupying his kibbutz in Israel is based on the exact same right as his so called "murdering messianic madmen"'s occupying their homes on the so called "West Bank", that is in BIBLICAL Eretz Israel. In other words, once you take away our G.d given Torah and historic right on the WHOLE OF THIS LAND, the road is wide open right back to the gas chambers.

i think these gaz shampers and killing of the jews would never gave victory to germans and i think that hitler kill himselfe in someroom .. and he brought the shame to his people // this is what i say that the history is right it is not from the point of religion .. but from my believe god say that the earth is wide you can keep your religion wherever you sat .. but you must keep the body and heart safe if you can

Between the author and Yoni, maybe those of you outside of Israel understand the problems in our country: Too many extremist idiots on both sides. Of course we want to live in peace, it's the Arabs that don't. As for the WB, why exactly does Yoni support ethnic cleansing? After all, Jews were there in '48, as per the Mandate's rights. Jews accepted UNR181, which also said we could live there. It's the Arabs that rejected civil society and peace, declaring war against Israel's existence and eliminating all Jews from the captured areas. Yoni seems to think that was a good thing.