checked by psychologists before during and after they are elected or appointed. barak is not an elected official, but the head of the labor party. he did not harm Israel enough when he ran out of lebanon when he was p.m.,he came back to do more damage.

Smallest country in the region to give up territories after winning survival wars??? What a crap Barak has nothing to decide He is scared of new much needed elections,that is all

THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT TERRITORY GIVEN UP IN GOOD FAITH TO ARAB MODERATES TODAY, WILL NOT BE SEIZED BY RADICAL ELEMENTS TOMORROW .REVERSION OF POSITIONS IN THE ARAB WORLD IS OFTEN DICTATED BY THE MOB AND THE GUN.WITH WIDESPREAD TRADITIONAL HATRED ENGENDERED BY THE KORAN SOONER OR LATER ANY ACT OF APPEASEMENT WILL BE INSUFFICIENT AND DETRIMENTAL TO ISRAEL"S SECURITY.THE OLD ADDAGE "MIGHT IS RIGHT" STILL STANDS.WITH OR WITHOUT IT PERPETUAL MOTION WILL BE THERE TO SWING THE PENDULUM OF POLITICS THAT IS THE SAND-GLASS SERVANT OF THE ARAB WORLD

AP wrote: "Saudi Arabia first proposed the peace initiative in 2002, offering pan-Arab recognition of Israel in exchange for Israel's withdrawal from Arab lands captured in 1967 — the West Bank, Gaza Strip, east Jerusalem and the Golan Heights." "Withdrawal from Arab lands?" Where in the world does AP come up with this nonesense? These are not -- nor were they ever -- Arab lands? What Arab nation did these lands belong to? What sovereign Arab state had a legal deed or claim to these lands?

Barak, Peres, Livni - the whole lot of them are putting our heritage at risk for some stupid legacy. The definition of an idiot is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. These fools didn't learn from the Oslo fiasco. Barak's foolish scramble from southern Lebanon, the disastrous retreat from Gaza, the failure to win against the Hizbonazis in 2006, the inability to put down the rocket barrages against civilians and the proliferation of tunnels and arms smuggling in Gaza. These idiots just don't learn. And we, the civilians, are the ones who pay with our lives.

how much longer are we going to put up with these 'have been' politicians? Livni, Barak, Mofatz. we've heard it all before. We desparately need new authentic leaders. Why are the people out in the streets demanding their rights? The country does not belong to the government!!!

for massive rocket attacks on Netanya, Kfar Saba, Petach Tikvah, Modin, Afula, Jerusalem if Judea and the Shomron are given away. Our land is NOT for sale by this most left-wing government. They can not understand that the Gaza experiment failed and that it is now a terrorist entity with the citizens of Sderot as hostages.

I was getting ready to get the hell out of Israel. Thnx Barak, for you give me hope. I will begin to unpack my bags.

and Israel is doomed. Whatever land we conquered we should keep for we paid for it in the blood of our young men. Barak you are too easily swayed.

looking bac, Dayan, Weizman, Rabin and now Barak all wanted to go the extra mile and make concessions for peace. Now barak, who was parachuted in by Olmert to replace disgraced Peretz and who israelis did not want to see again, has seen the results of his policies- israeli dead, withdrawal from Lebanon, olmert like concessions on the west bank and only israeli dead in return. let some time pass and then figure out a new path after some israeli actions.Barak is a good covert specialist, but a lousy land general and whose judgement is faulty. Modification of the saudi plan may not be a bad idea but in the meantime israel needs to figure an antikassem system.

No matter what Israel does, the goal of the Arabs is to eliminate Jewish control of the land.

No Difference Both will destroy Israel as a Jewish State. Elections Now this is not a Banana Republic with Leaders controlled by the US, and the UK who were never elected. Who is motivating Barak to accept this Plan Investigation is Needed. http://ralphsrant1.blogspot.com

ADVANTAGES The Gulf States say oh look there is a country in this region called Israel amazing its been here 60 years and we didnt even know it existed for all this time. Israels leaders will get lots of nobel prizes. DISADVANTAGES We loose all Judea & Samaria, the capital is divided, we loose the Golan Heights, we loose all settlements. Any deals cannot be a simple withdraw to the 1949 ceacefire lines which are impossible to defend but for peace we turn a blind eye to reality. Jerusalem cannot be divided for practicality and morral reasons. How can we move nearly 250,000 jews from the Yeshe just like that and what about the big settlements which are towns in terms of population. The Golan - strategicly important for military reasons radar & missles doesnt mean that ground warfare and strategic high ground are not important anymore. It will mean rehousing 30,000 jews who live on Israels most peaceful border and they will be replaced by 500,000 Syrians who Assad intends to flood the Golan with creating a potential Gaza in the north and Assad will have plausable deniability over any terrorism. We will have to try find new homes & jobs for 30,000 jews and after 3 years we still havn't found homes and jobs for 8000 Gaza jews. It would cost tens of billions of dollars ( before the unemployment problems ) Even if the American pay some Israel will pay the majority and it's uinlikley America will be to generous based on the current economic climate. taxpayers will be financing it for a decade or more. Assad wants access to Kineret waters as well as the Golan. Apart from the ocasional flare up with Hizbullah Lebanon is not a huge problem and territory is still more useful that paper. The palestinians are not united and just because Fatah agrees to something doesnt mean Hamas or other groups will accept. There is no garuntee the palestinians a few years down the road dont say we want more or we want an intefada.

but I think I am a realist. Anyone who concocts a sentence containing the words Arabs, peace and Israel is simply a non realist.

While it might be worthwhile if Saudi Arabia can actually lead the rest of the Arab World towards such acceptance, does Saudi Arabia still have the clout to fulfill their end of such a deal? Giving up those lands formally without a virtual guarantee of normalised relations and peace would be incredibly foolish.

Barak is a shame for Labour, a shame for Israel and a strange friend of Livni's

Abbas revealed later that when he told the Democratic candidate about the Arab peace initiative - offering Israel normal relations with all 22 Arab countries in exchange for a Palestinian state - Obama's (clearly private) response was unambiguous: "The Israelis must be crazy not to accept that." Every Arab state, as Saudi Prince Turki al-Faisal put it, "made clear that they will pay the price for peace, not only by recognising Israel as a legitimate state in the area, but also to normalise relations with it and end the state of hostilities that had existed since 1948." The quid pro quo was that Israel too must "accept peace as a strategic choice ... withdraw completely from all the lands they occupied in 1967, including Jerusalem ... accept a just solution for the refugee problem ... and recognise the independent state of Palestine." http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/18/middle-east On 29/11/2006, Perez said we should think of the Arab Peace Initiative as good basis for negotiation after the second Lebanon war. The Gulf war of 1991 initiated Madrid peace talk, as did the 1973 war. It is hoped that Barak is not just buying time by switching from individual negotiations to an overall peace deal for the region, and probably back again! don't miss peace: “Achievement of a just solution to the Palestinian refugee problem TO BE AGREED UPON in accordance with UN General Assembly Resolution 194”: For the first time, the Arab world commits itself to an AGREED solution to the refugee problem, thus addressing Israel’s concern that the demographic character of the Jewish state not be threatened. To be sure, the initiative calls for achieving a just solution of the problem in accordance with UNGA Resolution 194, but it points out that the implementation of that resolution has to be agreed. http://www.jordanembassyus.org/new/me/arabinitiative.shtml

So, the 67 war was initiated by Israel on purpose? that's what Israeli leaders have admitted.

Quote :” Barak said he has discussed the Saudi plan ..”. Dear Mr. Barak, if you intend to give away East-Jerusalem -- then Israel SHOULD get Medina (Saudi-Arabia). (Remember Medina in 622 AD.) IF you can’t get Medina from the Saudis -- FORGET handing over East-Jerusalem !!!!! BTW when you GIVE AWAY land -- you should RECEIVE land somewhere else. IT is a simple arithmetic.

which 1 of them can win top prize for selling the rest of us into slavery the fastest?

You see, Moshe thinks he will live in peace wth you Mohammed, if only you will allow Tel Aviv to remain in the hands of the Jews. Moshe (Tel Aviv) is willing to give you the rest of Israel so long as you will let Moshe live in peace. Moshe is what we call a generous and kindly Jew; one who cares deeply for his fellow Jews. Moshe is not a Kapo or anything of the sort. He's not a selfish Jew. Mohammed, you've made it plain to Moshe in Tel Aviv: Moshe is living on what you believe to be historic Muslim land. Thus you tell Moshe in Tel Aviv: "You should leave anyway!" Thanks for your honesty and probity.

If the Saudi deal is backed by the cowardly Barak it can only be BAD. Barak thinks only of himself and not whats good for Israel Israel beware of the deal

Come on citizens of Israel. Take to the streets!!