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What prevents peace?     Moshe Dann
1. Absolutely Correct
Finally someone is telling ALMOST the truth. They not only hate and refuse to recognize the State of Israel and always will, they hate Jews as well. Make concessions to them? Better to shoot youself. It'll be quicker. Remember that during the next war, and as I have begged for years: Finish the job. When you do, you'll not have the problem again....and don't worry about what the world will say. They'll get over it. They always do. Auschwitz? What's an Auschwitz?
Shimon ,   Cincinnati, USA   (09.07.09)
2. and that my friends
is the reality of the situation. that is why compromise is useless. that is why worrying about world opinion is crazy. that is why Israel should continue to aggressively settle the land. the arabs will never ever accept much less embrace a Jewish nation not only in the middle east but anywhere in the world.
Barney ,   USA   (09.07.09)
3. The Palestinians simply don't want "Peace"!
They know very well that if a Palestinian State was to be established they would have to recognize the State of Israel and they will have to start providing ALL the services like electricity, telephone, water, banking and even currency that an independent country must provide to its citizens. The most important factor is that they will no longer be able to blame Israel for all their woes. The term "Palestinian people" is a actually a creation of those who want to destroy Israel. There is nothing that binds the Palestinians into a nation. They are divided between the Sunnis and Shiites with a smattering of Christians, again divided between the majority Eastern Orthodox and a minority of Catholics and Armenians. The only bond now is hatred but if there is "Peace" the hatred will be among themselves instead of against Israel. Another question the Palestinian Leadership must clarify where are their people going to work? Surely they don't expect the "vile" Israelis to employ them? Even now, if the freeze on building" does happen, what will happen to all those who build homes in Judea and Samaria for the hated Jewish Settlers? Well, Abu Mazen, what are the answers?
David ,   Karmiel, Israel   (09.07.09)
4. “The struggle with the Zionist enemy is not a matter of ...
“The struggle with the Zionist enemy is not a matter of borders” Attempts to solve the Arab/Israeli conflict regularly fail because of the refusal to acknowledge that this dispute has never been about borders, territory or settlements, but about the Arabs refusal to recognize Israel’s right to exist. “The struggle with the Zionist enemy is not a matter of borders, but touches on the very existence of the Zionist entity,” declared an Arab spokesman. To be informed : http://xrl.us/bju8k
Ron B. ,   Lod   (09.07.09)
5. ISRAEL-WHAT PREVENTS PEACE?
THE WRITER OF THIS ARTICLE HAS SAID IT ALL. ISRAEL SHOULD GET READY TO BE PUSHED INTO THE SEA. SURPRISINGLY, THAT IS GOING TO COME FROM AN UNEXPECTED SOURCE AND NOT IRAN.
AZINDOW BLA ,   DUBAI, U.A.E   (09.07.09)
6. EXACTLY !!!.
What prevents peace? THE EVIL ONE.. From Arab perspective, Jewish sovereignty, self-determination are anathema EXACTLY. Zionism, as the Arab and Muslim world sees it, is racism, an evil that must be eradicated. ZIONISM IS JEHOWAHS SOVREIGN WILL TO, HAVE A CHOSEN PEOPLE AND HIS OWN TOWN JERUSALEM AND LAND ISRAEL. THE EVIL ONE WANT TO PREVENT THAT AT ANY COST. The struggle is not over dividing territory, but whether Israel deserves to exist at all. The reason that issue is not on the table is because no Arab leader has or will accept Israel's right to exist, or even acknowledge basic facts of history, for example that there was a Temple. GET RID OF THE JEWS AND ISRAEL, IS TO GET RID OF JEHOWAH, AND THE EVIL ONE WILL REIGN THE EARTH. The emergence of Jew-hatred, especially in Europe, evident in the recent Swedish blood libel against Israel, a fraction of the official support given by EU countries to anti-Jewish causes in the form of anti-Israel advocacy, indicates the depth of that hostility. YES BUT, JEHOWAH ALLOWES THIS FOR TO TEACH HIS PEOPLE THAT IT IS TIME TO COME HOME. The next war will not be over settlements, or Jerusalem, or a second Arab Palestinian state - of any kind. It has been and will continue to be over Israel's right to exist altogether. YES AND JEHOWAH WILL INTERVINE IN THAT WAR - Zechariah 14 1Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished. And half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3Then shall the LORD go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fought in the day of battle. 4And His feet shall stand in that day upon the Mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWSATpx7uzk Arn.
Arn. ,   Sweden.   (09.07.09)
7. The author reminds me of my children whe one cries
"she/he hit me back"! You refer to Palestinians solely as Arabs to negate or deny their seperate identity as Palestinians. You very nomenclature insist that Palestinians are not a seperate people from the wider Arab population. The Palestinian genetic make up Clearly shows them as seperate and distinct from the wider Arab population. They are merely denying to you the very thing you deny to them "historical legitamacy". Oh and if you do not come up with a just way to seperate the land into two states, you will have one state and that state will be Palestinian. Their creation myth is older than the Zionist version two which permeates modern society. The first zionists understood the Palestinian Arabs place in the middle east. And their legitamate origin. Ignorance is your mistake and will lead to one nation for one multi religous people. The Jewish state is doomed unless you seperate. It is as simple as that. Time is on palestines side as it has been foe millennia.
Jack ,   Richmond va us   (09.07.09)
8. Overlooking the Islamic factor
I'm in essential agreement with Dann, but one shouldn't ignore the Islamic factor that underlies this conflict. What we Jews consider our historic homeland, they consider part of the Islamic "waqf", thus their permanent heritage. (Spain, southern Italy and the Balkans are also deemed "Islamic lands" to be re-conquered over time.) Israel must therefore be "liberated". Jews are also - like Christians - deemed infidels, non-believers. Our "proper place" is under Muslim domination as dhimmis - at best tolerated, but second class. That the despised Jew has bested them militarily and economically, succeeded where they have failed, and - worst - rules over Muslims is intolerable. *That* to them is the ultimate humiliation. And that is something neither Obama nor his Jewish advisers will likely ever understand.
Raymond in DC ,   Washington, USA   (09.07.09)
9. THANK YOU
ben Ish   (09.07.09)
10. sloppy writing, but overall, accurate.
(09.07.09)
11. To #7
You are not able to oppose to Moshe Dann column that's why you are bringing a so-called racism. But the facts are the facts, Arabs don't want peace and want to destroy Israel.
Frank ,   Canada   (09.07.09)
12. Not only that ......
The last thing that arab leadership wants now is to resolve the conflict with Israel. That would mean that they would have to start dealing with their own issues. Things like illiteracy, corruption, violence, health care, equal rights for women and so forth. Dann hits the nail on the head in this article. The solution to the plight of the Palestinians is not in Israeli hands but rather in the hands of the Palestinians themselves. If the west genuinely cares for the Palestinian cause they would do well to address these issues directly with the leadership and not be sidetracked by red-herrings like the settlement issue.
Joe ,   Israel   (09.07.09)
13. Moshe Dann spoke raw, pure truth.
It all boils down to the eternal fact that Arabs simply cannot abide the existence & reality of Israel, and will forever, by hook or by crook, seek to make an utter end of it.
Cameron ,   USA   (09.07.09)
14. credentials-expertise please....
What are Mr. Dann's credentials ? On what expertise does he base his opinions? Has he traveled the arab world, read arabic, is he a scholar in arab studies and geo-politics? And who in 2009 mentions Israel going back to the 1949 borders? Talk about a straw man argument! YNET should get real experts, or G-D forbid Arabs, from all countries and positions to tell your audience what the "Arabs" are thinking and willing to do, or who they are even afraid of more than their fear/ hatred and dislike" of Israel/Jews....[that country's name is a 4 letter word and a historic enemy of the Arab "world" for centuries.] And the answer to my question is in the real world of geo-politics and new possiblities. Remember, as the "Arabs" say, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."
Israeli abroad   (09.07.09)
15. The brother is correct
Obama's commitzar ,   Washington   (09.07.09)
16. You're right!! One-state solution it is!!
Israel must build, build build. One-state solution is the only solution. Absorbing 2.5 million Palestinians in Judea and Samaria and granting them Israeli citizenship is the only way forward. That is what the author suggests, is it not?
David   (09.07.09)
17. Jewish State
They speak about 67 borders now. Why didn't they accept them in 48?
Rosie   (09.08.09)
18. to #7
If their is such a thing as Palestinian Arab and they "deserve" their own state than their cannot be Ahmed Tibi in the Knesset, and no Arab can remain in Israel after the "separation" between two peoples as all Arabs in Israel are Palestinians and that includes the Beduine trackers. As for "Palestinian" identity the Arabs who lived in the land of Israel considered themselves Syrian until the 1960's. And what separates this imaginary Palestinian identity? Religion? Language? foods? blood? nothing. Its imagination.
Golan ,   SL   (09.08.09)
19. Israeli abroad @ 14; Speaking of straw man.
Why are you attacking author's credential instead of explaining exactly why author is wrong. Do you have an opinion to offer or just empty rants?
leo ,   usa   (09.08.09)
20. he is correct but
why is our historical narrative have to come at the expense of the Palestinian? i believe there is room for compromise also on their side. they do not accept zionism, you are correct. but it does not mean their is no room for a future acceptance. and your obvious disregard for palestinian feelings towards the land that we both claim is ours, is not helpful. in your scenario, the only outcome is genocide of the palestinian people. that is not something i can accept.
Israeli   (09.08.09)
21. Time to close the book
I think the author's correct an it's getting to the time to close the book on this. Unfortunately, I think some kind of limited Arab resettlement outside of Israel, Judea and Samaria might be necessary. They can go live in formerly Jewish property in other Arab countries. Enough already. Arafat blew it in Y2K. It's over!
homer jones ,   nYC   (09.08.09)
22. Israeli abroad - I see that you are a goood dhimmi.
Are you living in Sweden by chance? It's not for nothing that you are unable to credibly address the problems of the Arab/Islamicworld wrt Israel as expressed in the article by HISTORIAN, hello - are you listening?, Moshe Dann.
Gabor Frankl ,   Budapest, Hungary   (09.08.09)
23. wow a non-leftist journo
refreshing, hope he's allowed to eat with his colleagues at the cafeteria.
Rami   (09.08.09)
24. Actually quite a few things seperate the Palestinians&arabs.
Palestinian's language has different sounds from the wider Arab population with derivatives from Aramaic. Some Palestinians are Jewish but bedouins are not necessarily Palestinians. Palestinians, druize, and bedouins are seperate peoples, but Samaritans are Palestinians. The Palestinian genetic code is similar to Jewish genetic code but not to that of Saudis, Egyptians, Iranians or Iraqis. Syrians are actually fairly close to the judean and Palestinian populations since they come from the Syriac language; similar origin to Syriac church which started in Jerusalem. Syria's name origin is from the ancient early Jewish Christian population. The palestian diet and method of handling and preparing food is very different from the wider Arab population, including the way they handle food. Obviously the palestian's physical appearance is also drastically different from the wider Arab population. If you have eyes, you can see that one. Their traditional dress is quite different especially the women's attire and embroidery. The place of woman is different in Palestinian's home than in the wider population, including the basic order in which they eat and who gets fed if there is too little food. Even family honor and murder related to it are handled quite differently. (Palestinians are significantly stricter where males tarnish honor versus the wider Arab worlds use to attack women almost exclusively similar to macho killings in brazil where a woman may be killed for insulting any man's honor. Palestinians tend to kill more males for honor infractions than in the Arab world at large where almost exclusively women bear the blunt of such wikedness. Palestinians tend to put the rapest to death and not the raped. Heck, Palestinians actually like to have female children and prize them highly. There are even emergent languages among palestian populations which demonstrates their long term isolation as an indigenous population. (this is most remarkable among isolated population with large numbers of genetically deaf.). Oh and finally, hseventy percent of the male Palestinian population has a 3500 year separation from their y chromosome to the Arab population. They are in fact descendants of the ancient Israelites and have remained fairly seperate ever since with a full fifty percent having a y chromosome that is the same as seventy percent of diaspora Jews. Palestinian Muslims, Jews, and Christians are genetically all the same. .. The Samaritans too.
Jack ,   Richmond va us   (09.08.09)
25. Solutions to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict ?
Whatever solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict we support, we need to re-examine all the arguments for that solution, because all of them were born in different circumstances, “a long time ago on another planet.” It is easy to see that there is not much chance for a “binational state” (born in the 1920s) or that a “one state solution” (a favorite of the Nazi Mufti, Hajj Amin el Husseini) would result in an explosion no matter who was in charge of that state. But the two state solution (born in 1937, revised in 1947, revived more recently in a new context) has not more chance to bring real peace. If we want to reach a lasting peace in the M-E, we can hardly avoid to face the transfer option. About transfer of populations during last century at: http://xrl.us/bjcgx
Ron B. ,   Lod   (09.08.09)
26. re: Jack Richmond 'Palestinian' homogeneous ridiculous
The suggestion that Palestinians are a cohesive genetically homogeneous population is complete nonsense. Arabs are a composite, a reflection and function of geography and history, migration, peoples conquered, enslaved and assimilated. Palestinians like all Arabs are not homogeneous among themselves. Like all Arab societies it is highly hierarchical and stratified. So different communities within the society only marry with each other perpetuating different ethnic backgrounds often forgotten. As an example you could say 20% of Palestinians genes are Sub Saharan African. It would be very wrong to conclude that this is a constant across the society. The upper classes of Palestinian society are 'white' and will have a very low amount of Sub Saharan genetic influence. At the other end of the spectrum in the lower classes you will find extremely high amounts close to a 100% of Sub Saharan genetic combinations, including to this day communities of descendants of African slaves, also dominant are Central Asian. Parallel to that you will find that the Palestinian upper classes have far higher concentrations of European and North African genetic markers, and of course the sub-levant Arab genetic markers. Many if not most of the Palestinian Christians can be traced to Yemen, Ghassanids. Even the 'Palestinian' family names make it clear to anyone who understands them that many are migrants from all over the Arab world. Point is Palestinians are an amalgam of many peoples, not a linear indigenous population and any suggestion that Palestinians are a cohesive genetically homogeneous population is pure fantasy of racial purity.
ben yaacov ,   herzliya   (09.08.09)
27. Same Claim, different day.
Jews keep singing same old say "Arab wants to throw Jews in Sea" as if Arabs ever have the ability to do so.
Atmawi ,   Historic Palestine   (09.08.09)
28. Israel's Biggest Problem?
Status Quo is unacceptable to everyone even Israel! What ther are 1.4 mil Pals in gaza, 2.4 in West Bank and 1.1 in Israel, that is 4.9 mil Palestinians. Not to mention the so called refugees! What are you going to do with these people? There are 4choices: (1) Ship them all out of the country? Imagine how hard that would be. The resistence would be emgence. The Arab nations would almost certaintly intervene militarily. This would turn even the US against Israel. Lastly you would need to find a host nation for them and good luck getting help there! (2) Genocide 5 mil Palestinians! This is really a non-choice so I won't discuss it! (3) Make all Palestinians 2nd class citizens aka apartheid like system that existed in South Africa! First, Israel loses all legitimacy. Second, she loses American support entirely. Third, it would be a system destined to fail (4) Annex Gaza and the West Bank and make them all voting right citizens! Watch he breeding war start! Idiot leftist Jews will vote akin to Palestinian voters and the Palestinians voters would vote homogenously. Soon the Jewish state would be voted out of existence!
GHook93 ,   Chicago   (09.08.09)
29. Future for Israel
It is clear that God's plan is working and he will sustain Israel over any and all enemies that come her way. We are seeing God's end game played out - and we are told to support Israel through this time. Amen
Jill G ,   Phila, PA   (09.08.09)
30. Annex Judea & Samaria and pay many Arabs to leave.
The solution is very simple. Judea and Samaria have rightfully belonged to Israel for thousands of years. There are a substantial number of Arabs in Judea and Samaria, most of whom tell pollsters they'd love to leave. The Gulf Coast and Canada are their preferred destinations. The answer: Israel should annex Judea and Samaria and pay many Arabs to leave. It's win/win for everyone.
Chaim ,   Israel   (09.08.09)
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